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    We talk alot about water on this board but surprisingly, little on fire? Why? Imnsho fire is the MOST useful prep we can have, in almost any situation. Big claim I know but think about it. In a grid down it would be your light, cooking, heating, and could even serve as for water purification, defense and wound cauterization. So lets post about fire and all it's uses,making skills and different carry options to name a few. I'll start with this little ditty, https://www.amazon.com/Survival-Wate...capsule+peanut I carry one on my keychain, in my urban survival kit and on my BOB. The fluid doesn't evaporate like in a Zipo and it's size and cost, makes it a must have for fire. What do you carry and why?
    JUST CAUSE THEY SAY IT DON'T MAKE IT TRUE And if it comes from Info Wars or Alex Jones, it's probably BULLSHIT!

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  • #2
    I have an old Brunton Helios butane lighter. Its nothing like the newer ones that don't seem to work. Mine sets fires like a shingle factory and its my primary pocket lighter, I have Bics and ferro rods in everything but my underwear but the Brunton is in my pants pocket. It lights when wet too, but like all butanes you have to keep them warm or you get nada
    http://quietsurvivalist.com

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    • #3
      JMO

      Fire is something getting little attention because either someone is very confident of their ability to make it or they are afraid to look foolish asking how. And I'm not sure the solution for that other than admitting my own shortcomings as far as fire goes.

      I'm good at tinder balls, bigger the better and if its smaller than a volleyball I think its not big enough. However, I cant make a friction fire to save my life. A ferro rod? Yup, got that down. Girl scout match ( 15 minute road flare) absolutely and I condone them for emergency kits. Sometimes you need a fire yesterday and a flare does it.

      And I keep trying the drill method and its got to be me, because Ill take the same wood and use a cordless drill with it and it flames in a second but with a bow? Nope not me. Ive done it, but not enough consistently to rely on it, just reality. Living in the desert I have limited woods available so that may be part of it too.
      http://quietsurvivalist.com

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Quietsurvivalist View Post
        However, I cant make a friction fire to save my life.
        Your not alone there, not only have I had a dickens of a time trying to make fire that way but I just assume not expel the calories, in a survival situation. I know by what will I do if I have nothing on me to make fire. My answer is you won't catch me with nothing to make fire. I even sleep with one of those peanut lighters, on a chain around my neck. (more on my survival necklace in another post) I might be fooling myself and one day find a fire making method absent, on my person but I work hard so that doesn't happen.
        JUST CAUSE THEY SAY IT DON'T MAKE IT TRUE And if it comes from Info Wars or Alex Jones, it's probably BULLSHIT!

        Steve Bannon in his own words, speaks on Breitbart and the alt right http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/..._nationalists/

        Know the FACTS b4 going off half cocked

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        • #5
          I have a few 'BIC' lighters, together with about 3 different magnesium sticks, a couple of gas BBQ lighters, waterproof matches, etc etc etc. All work fine.

          I have left the hard to do and inefficient ways to others.

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          • #6
            Great topic. Fire is one of the most important elements of survival. If nothing else, a fire always boosts morale. It helps to cook food, purify water, keep you warm, ward off insects, repel predators, light your camp, and even help you bathe. There are three fire making tools that I carry. I ALWAYS have a ferro rod. I am a big believer in products that cannot run out of fuel, and a ferro rod will light thousands of fires before it wears out. It is waterproof, windproof, and cheap. I also like bic lighters and zippos. Mainly, I like zippos because there are roughly a dozen different flammable liquids that can be poured into a zippo and lit. It makes for an ideal SHTF fire solution.

            I am not the best at friction fire, but it is one of the most difficult elements of survival. I can do it, but try to avoid it if possible. The biggest challenge is finding wood with the right hardness to get a good coal going. It could take you a whole day to find the right combination of woods. I much prefer other methods of fire, and always have my ferro rod with me. I also carry a lens with me and use it on a regular basis. There are always the options of chemical fires, compression fires, or electrical fires as well.

            As for tinder, I do try to keep something with me. I love char cloth and make some on a regular basis. It always catches a spark or will flare up from the heat of a lens. However, my preference is Fire Cubes and Fire Stix. The fire cubes allow you to shave off a pile of flaky wax that will take a spark. Then, the Fire Stix will light and stay lit for 20 minutes. Both products are waterproof, windproof, and cheap. If I have those two products with a ferro rod, I can guarantee a quick fire an absolutely any weather conditions. That is nice to have. I can always get one going without, but isn't that what prepping is about? You want to have the easiest solutions with you when SHTF.

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            • #7
              Here's a few tricks I've picked up :

              Fire with a nearly empty lighter:

              If you can get a spark from a lighter but it's no longer producing a flame, chances are that it's not dead empty just yet. To get a flame when flicking it normally doesn't work -
              • Take off the cap
              • Depress the gas
              • With your other hand, flick the flint

              This will produce a tiny flame, but a flame is a flame. I don't know why it won't work when flicking normally, but holding the gas and then flicking it does. Perhaps becuase a tiny little waft of gas is already in the air when it sparks, or maybe because it's more stable using two hands. You can get quite a few lights this way.

              Fire with a wet lighter:

              Well you won't get fire with a wet lighter, but you can dry it out easily without having any dry materials on hand -
              • Take off the child protection strip if it has one (the metal strip that runs around the flint to make it difficult for children to spin the flint)
              • Put it to your lips and suck on it
              • Turn the flint slowly
              • Repeat 2 & 3 several times

              Pretty soon you'll be able to get a spark and a flame and dry the lighter completely.

              Fire with a dead empty lighter:

              If the lighter has absolutely no gas whatsoever but is still producing a spark -
              • Empty a tea bag
              • Slowly turn the flint for a while so that it grinds particles off the flint
              • Tap out the filings into the tea bag
              • Keep doing 2 & 3 until you have a small pile of shavings. Turning the flint one way, and then the other, will tear off shavings quicker
              • Tap the filings into one corner of the tea bag, and then flick the lighter near it. Fwoosh!

              If you don't have a tea bag, then you can do it with a square of toilet paper. If the toilet paper is 2 ply, then separate 1 ply out. If your toilet paper is 3 or more ply, then you may want to reevaluate your priorities.
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              • #8
                Natural Tinders

                This video shows more than 10 ways to make fire from naturally found materials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw0PSNytjQw Good to know

                JUST CAUSE THEY SAY IT DON'T MAKE IT TRUE And if it comes from Info Wars or Alex Jones, it's probably BULLSHIT!

                Steve Bannon in his own words, speaks on Breitbart and the alt right http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/..._nationalists/

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                • #9
                  Today I read an article by Les Stroud. I am not a big advocate of survival television shows as most of them are junk and spread false information. However, I do respect Les and feel like he does it the right way. It was only a small part of the article, but he mentioned that you will almost never see him use friction fire. He normally has a limited number of matches or a lighter with him. At first glance I was torn by this statement.

                  Then I thought about it more and started to agree. I do keep lighters and matches in my bug out bag, but I do not take them with me on survival challenges. I guess this is just a measure to push myself to find other ways to make fire. I normally rely on a lens or a ferro rod. There are times I rely on friction fire, but they are few and far between. I really started thinking about it and friction fire is just plain inefficient if you have any other means by which to start a fire. Finding wood that is the right hardness and is also completely dry can take hours. Then the process itself is exhausting. It can also tear up your hands if you are not wearing gloves.

                  I have come to accept his statement as being a fairly smart move. I am curious what the rest of you think. I feel that knowing how to make a friction fire is important, but does anybody see any point in relying upon it if other options are available?

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                  • #10
                    I have respect for Les Stroud too. I agree with what you're saying Ryan. But many people don't have the confidence that they can start a fire using only friction that Les and perhaps yourself and other experienced preppers have. So I think until you have practiced friction fire in enough situations that you are 100% confident that you could start a fire that way no matter what if necessary, it's good to keep practicing. If you already know that no matter what the situation you can start a friction fire if needed, then yes take the easy way out and use your gear. New preppers need to understand they can't just practice starting a friction fire a couple times in the back yard or the woods by their house and be confident they can do it in the pouring rain or other severe conditions. In my opinion there's a big difference between knowing how to do something and doing it successfully once or twice when you aren't under stress and fighting for your life and doing the same task when you're tired, your hands are numb, and you're soaked to the skin from the rain or a fall into a creek.

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                    • #11
                      A good piece of gear for protecting Bic lighters in wet conditions is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...AOL25TGQFFMI7Z However the almost $16 price tag seems a bit excessive? I got mine with some gear from a survival box company back when I subscribed to those. If I had to pay the $16 I wouldn't have one. What I did prior to getting this was to use two ranger bands that completely cover the head and body of the lighter. It didn't make it water proof but made it damp resistant and that's all I wanted. I do the same with my zippos but honestly the peanut liters I posted, work in many conditions and with almost any fuel so I really don't bother anymore.

                      I still think friction fire is over rated but that's just me
                      JUST CAUSE THEY SAY IT DON'T MAKE IT TRUE And if it comes from Info Wars or Alex Jones, it's probably BULLSHIT!

                      Steve Bannon in his own words, speaks on Breitbart and the alt right http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/..._nationalists/

                      Know the FACTS b4 going off half cocked

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                      • #12
                        That's a good point Megan. It is important to keep practicing until one is proficient with a skill. I recently heard somebody say that a good survivalist is "lazy" and I have to agree with that. I get to the point on these challenges that I just want to conserve calories and a friction fire just sounds like more work than I want to mess with. I know that sounds horrible, but there has to be a balance there.

                        What I mean is that learning the skills is absolutely vital. However, in a real survival situation your calories expended versus calories consumed gauge is running at all times. Every action has a cost and a reward. I think fire in general always is a good idea, even if you do not need it to stay warm or cook food. It gives you a boost in morale that you cannot get in any other way. However, how you build that fire could expend 30 calories or 3000 calories. Once you have mastered the skills, the path of least resistance becomes the path you take.

                        That is one of the dilemmas with teaching survival, whether it be on forums, on television shows, in classes, or in print. You have to constantly remind yourself that the people you are teaching may have zero outdoors experience. That means that you have to teach every important skill, even if it is something you rarely do yourself. It also means that you have to find a way to make it fun so they do not get frustrated and give up. It would be easy for a novice to spend 2-3 hours on a friction fire with no luck and decide to move on. You do not have that option in a real survival situation.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Skills b4 Gear View Post

                          I still think friction fire is over rated but that's just me
                          I absolutely agree that friction fire is overrated but I still think that it's vital to be proficient in it in case you do need it. Honestly, we can prepare all we want to but if something happens and your gear packs and person are stripped from you, then what? When you do manage to escape to the woods wearing nothing but one of those FEMA camp jumpsuits, ya better well be able to start a fire once you are far enough away. But I agree that once you are confident you can do it if and when you need to? Then yeah follow the two is one and one is none principle to make sure your gear setup is such that you are never without a quick way to start a fire or tinder for it. With that in mind, here's an article that some of those who haven't yet mastered the skill might find interesting, http://www.survivalsullivan.com/start-fire-with-sticks.

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                          • #14
                            There are so many ways to make fire the more ways we have the better chances we will have to survive. Just a few less known,

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNJhJwnSs Steel wool and battery
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTdY-dOYvSA Soda can
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcgs7Tx3Hs Plastic bag and water
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3yoPiJP5CM 8 ideas worth trying
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xSI3vZlsMA Sugar and Potassium permanganate https://www.amazon.com/KP02N-Greensa...nganate+powder

                            Friction fire not withstanding, I'd rather use one of these or just a lighter

                            Btw I often carry potassium permanganate and glycerin to make fire even atop snow. I carry the two items in this type of container https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJC4ngQvQNY The pp can also be used to purify water and make an antiseptic for cleaning wounds. The glycerin has double usage also and can be used to moisturize lips and on sunburns.
                            Last edited by Skills b4 Gear; 03-19-2017, 04:16 AM.
                            JUST CAUSE THEY SAY IT DON'T MAKE IT TRUE And if it comes from Info Wars or Alex Jones, it's probably BULLSHIT!

                            Steve Bannon in his own words, speaks on Breitbart and the alt right http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/..._nationalists/

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